Kimber Montana?

[22 skadoo]

Im thinking of one in 223,besides the vmax 50 gr what would be the best bullets with out no gunsmithing work on the rifle.

 

[Big Stick]

Try 75A-Max and back up in length,from there...if it won't stabilize same.

The 75gr Hornie HPBT being a given.............

 

[dznnf7]

I'm not sure you'd be in the same zip code as the throat [on mine, a sample of one] even if you were willing to seat a 75 deep enough to feed through the stock mag box and eject an unfired round. Mine wouldn't shoot the 75 A-Max for shit, and is unremarkable with HPBTs. 50-V's were easy, easy, easy.

The only disappointment on OEM Montanas is the throat/COAL/twist arrangement. Only the 6.5 kills that.

 

[Lineman]

The only disappointment on OEM Montanas is the throat/COAL/twist arrangement. Only the 6.5 kills that.

The WSMs were done right as well.

At least the .300 and 7 were.

 

[Big Stick]

Easy to shoot a Smooch,make a stabilization confirmation and then mod a box for that COAL.

No thang..............

 

[Big Stick]

The 7 Whizzum has long stole The Show.................

 

[Lineman]

The 84Ms are the pick of the litter for me after having at least one of all 3. The 7wsm was the most accurate and least picky of em all that I've had, I just have no need for a mag.

I'm in the same boat as the OP, the .223 Montana makes too much sense, and I could see me grabbing it more than anything else.

 

[16Bore]

If Va would just allow .223's....so fucking stupid.

 

[Lineman]

If Va would just allow .223's....so fucking stupid.

I've never had one check...

 

[16Bore]

I ain't that ballsy.

 

[22 skadoo]

I was just on Kimbers web site and the color of the 84M has changed to green.

 

[22 skadoo]

If only they would make the 84M in 223AI with 18" 8 twist barrel and able to handle 75A-max.I guess that makes to much sence

 

[Lineman]

If only they would make the 84M in 223AI with 18" 8 twist barrel and able to handle 75A-max.I guess that makes to much sence

I agree 100%

Where I'm at right now, is I could buy a Montana and rebarrel it as such and still be ahead on what it'd cost to build from scratch.

 

[dznnf7]

Same here - the WSM is awesome, but it'd sit while I shot the 84M's. I bought the first .260 I could get 10 years ago, and it's piled up deer ever since. Muzzleloader and Montana is all I hunt with now. The Creedmoor is calling my name, and I don't need one - but I doubt I'll make it another month without clicking a "buy it now".....

 

[Lineman]

Soon as the wallet gets a little more padding Ill be looking for a .223. Would love a Creed but the .223 will come first.

 

[BCSteve]

I was just on Kimbers web site and the color of the 84M has changed to green.

At least they didn't get color ideas from Stick's Montanas!

 

[Big Stick]

A Montucky 223 and another in Creed'...would cover ALOTTA scenarios,very capably.

6x MQ and 40MOA 'Horn's.............

 

[bobnob]

A 6Creed Montana is what I'm sweating on. Any chance of it happening?

 

[dznnf7]

You never know, they've shuffled chamberings before. They sell every Montana they can build, so I'd bet it's a year out or more.

 

[bobnob]

Copy.

 

[Big Stick]

I don't talk with them,so have no feel as to what may be on the horizon.

A 6mm twisted/throated right and wearing requisite COAL,certainly would not be a hard sell. Nor would one in .224".

Hell...maybe even one day,Manufacturers will figure this shit out?!?..............

 

[dznnf7]

Maybe Barrett will retain the long mag box of the NULA when they release their version. The could still fuck up twist and throating, but the move to all SS gives me hope. It'd be worth a few hundred bucks more to have a .243 that was RIGHT.

 

[Big Stick]

Last I heard the 3" magbox was certainly the basis,for Ronnie's latest venture.

They'll not botch twist rate as per early indications and throating will be a breeze..................

 

[Driftin']

A 6mm twisted/throated right and wearing requisite COAL,certainly would not be a hard sell. Nor would one in .224".

Hell...maybe even one day,Manufacturers will figure this shit out?!?..............

As mentioned previously, I talked with a Kimber upper management guy some years back about their lazy .243 twist. Seems that they follow the SAAMI standard 10-twist to keep their product liability lawyers happy. He was at a loss as to why Big Green could go 9.125 in their .243.

 

[dznnf7]

Think about the twist range found on the open market for .223 and that SAAMI/lawyer excuse gets even stupider. He was at a loss because he should be running a Pez dispenser factory, not a rifle manufacturing concern.
It's surprising Kimber designers have done as well as they have.

 

[Cuando]

Pez dispenser factory - HA!

Things could get good with this new chick running things at Kimber. You never know.

Hell, maybe one day we'll get a fast twist .223 Weatherby Improved.

 

[Driftin']

Think about the twist range found on the open market for .223 and that SAAMI/lawyer excuse gets even stupider. He was at a loss because he should be running a Pez dispenser factory, not a rifle manufacturing concern.
It's surprising Kimber designers have done as well as they have.

Ha! We didn't discuss .223/5.56 at the time but there are published .mil specs that they likely hang their product liability lawyer's hat on for their 9-twist vs the SAAMI 12-twist. Too bad they couldn't read a bit further down the page to go 7-twist.

 

[JCM]

Maybe Barrett will retain the long mag box of the NULA when they release their version. The could still fuck up twist and throating, but the move to all SS gives me hope. It'd be worth a few hundred bucks more to have a .243 that was RIGHT.

Last I heard the 3" magbox was certainly the basis,for Ronnie's latest venture.

They'll not botch twist rate as per early indications and throating will be a breeze..................

I'm hopeful on these. Are sounding like they're going to be right, straight from the box.

 

[Big Stick]

A 3" box spun right right and throated right,would do alotta favors.

Love would happen by default..............

 

[Lineman]

I still can't wrap my head around why so many companies get it so wrong.

 

[16Bore]

% of sales that give a shit, liability insurance underwriting, and "Holy SAAMI"

 

[Lineman]

I just can't see how a SS700, with a MRish barrel contour and Ti-ish stock, throated and twisted right wouldn't fly off shelves.

Hang a $999 price tag on em and watch the orders pile up....am I wrong here?

I still ain't able to wrap my head around how liability would be at stake, but I guess it is.

 

[cwh]

I just can't see how a SS700, with a MRish barrel contour and Ti-ish stock, throated and twisted right wouldn't fly off shelves.

Hang a $999 price tag on em and watch the orders pile up....am I wrong here?

You are not wrong... Maybe not at $1K, but they'd certainly sell with plenty of room to cover expenses and a nice profit.

I still ain't able to wrap my head around how liability would be at stake, but I guess it is.

I am not a lawyer, and I haven't stayed in a Holiday Inn for years, but I just don't see it. Granted, I'd get tired of getting sued if I were Remington. But I don't see how Remington is "more liable" than Tikka or Ruger for selling a 1-8 twist .224 barrel. More risk averse maybe, but that is the only claim you could make. Risk aversion can be a risk in itself at times, in that it puts you at risk or running yourself out of business.

 

[16Bore]

You'd think I'd they made it through triggers, they could make it through twist. My "guess" is that "Mr. Kimber, did you knowingly manufacture a rifle outside of industry specifications"

Who knows, it's all bullshit anyway.

 

[Big Stick]

None of the Manufacturers shoot...except Ronnie.

Hint................

 

[dznnf7]

Ronnie Barrett
Plans for three action lengths.
Their web page says the 243 and 22-250 are twisted at 7".
Sounds like a win.

 

[bobnob]

The 243 version of that Barrett looks just about perfect. Hold the Montana in 6mm Creed!

Interesting the 25-06 is twisted 1-9.

 

[Big Stick]

Reserve RPM is plum handy,as is reserve COAL latitude.

Ronnie is connectin' alotta dots,right out of the fucking gate.................

 

[bobnob]

Yes he seems a forward-thinking gent.

 

[Big Stick]

Really ain't much to it,as all you gotta think about is bullets/bullets/bullets and roughly in that order..................