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rollin factory fodder and treating it like a barfly.....I'm impressed, just ordered a wrong handed one....to compliment mamas. Thoughts? Who all is driving one?
 

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I've spent a lot more, to get a lot less. No complaints, and as accurate as anything out there.
 

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62 tsx and 69 smk work well. I don't think you can go much longer without some sort of mag modification.
 

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I have one of Chaz's (AKA Cotis) mag mods, works great.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/8949238/Latest_on_Ruger_American_223_m

Waiting on the rest I ordered. I wouldn't screw around if you think you want some - when he's done, that will probably be all that are made....

David
 

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Think I can do enough with vanilla 223 and a 62x........we shall see.
Greasy way,to yield a Dirty Duty Sleeper...on the sly.

I've 4000+ 75A-Max on hand,but don't quite have 4000 62X's and the "problem" is,I shoot a smidge..................(grin)
 

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I bought a RAR 223 in SS. Ordered 4 molded parts from Chaz, but might fill the OEM with cookie dough, pin, and mill in the meantime. 10-lbs of H335, 1000 Rem hulls, and 600 Amaxes... to get started with this rifle. 10X FF on top.
 

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Yanked the trigger spring and the pull went from god awful heavy to pretty dang nice. I didn't see any reset or safety issues running sans-spring but added a lightweight spring... just strong enough to push the trigger forward.

I thought MKII triggers were easy to work on...

OEM spring below, wimp spring above:



 

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Since I'm sure you are thinking about it: What's involved in removing the retard lever on the trigger?
 

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Barrel channel and barrel were not co-linear so the stock was cleaned up for a full float. Bolt lift was also hard near top of stroke due to a burr in bolt cam. Cleaned that up and it cycles a little better.

I'll probably get some stainless 1/4-28 SHCS and call it good for now. Still liking that trigger even with the gay blade.

Need to mount the 10x MQ and pre-roll a handful of test loads...
 

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Pop out the pin and toss the fucking lever,spring and pin in the garbage can.

Easy to get 'em under 2 pounds...............

 

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For conversation, I bought the injection machine, mold, etc from cotis. Check went in the mail yesterday. I have a busy January at the shows, but parts will fly out the door in February.

They do work and the RAR is one of my favorite toys....

Seated at 2.39"



And they shoot

 

Dude270

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I picked up 3 mag extensions from cotis on his first run.
Before I even bought a RAR.
I go to pick up my stainless RAR friday, looking forward to working with it, especially glad to see you guys have the trigger figured out.

SAS, Glad to see you got cotis's equipment, are you gonna turn them out in pretty large numbers?

Who is gonna be the first to figure out if a AI will fly in a RAR?
 

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We're going turn out as many as we can. Dad's retired and we're going to set up shop in his garage. He's pretty handy too....

I expect he'll do 25-50 a day until orders get caught up, then maybe just a few batches per week as demand dictates.

I'm pondering shipping entire mags instead of just extensions. I'd really like to assemble and test function before they ship out. Nothing would suck more than to ship a bunch of crap and then guys have issues...
 

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You'll have fun with it. I have the full size, my son has a compact. I'd like,e to throw together a "tweener" and punch it. I'm thinking about chopping the barrel to 20" and losing a 1/2" or so on the LOP.
 

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I bought a fullsize just because I need the longer LOP and figured it would be cheaper to chop off some barrel than to buy a longer stock. If I like mine I am thinking of cutting the pipe to 20"

Also might pick up a compact for my kid, he is only 4 but fuck it, it will be there when he is ready
 

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Glad to hear you and your Pops are gonna crank them out SAS, there would have to be a hell of a market for them if people knew they were out there. Didn't I hear on the 'Fire you took over as GM of a pretty big gun shop? Do you plan on selling some in there?

You might be right about selling whole mags just to avoid problems with functionality.

I may need some pointers on installing mine when I finally pick up my rifle
 

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Yep on the shop, on both counts. I'll be glad to offer pointers.
Can you get us a special make up Kimber Montanas in 22LR, 22mag, and 17HMR? Tube fed, up the rear while you're at it. No frickin port-side scallop for loading either.
 

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No deposits needed yet. It has approval all the way through sales. It's in engineering for design now. I'll let everybody know as soon as it's a go...

I guess I better get with the man and pay some advertising on here too. I need to see how he wants me to organize stuff. I have lots of plans...
 

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I guess I better get with the man and pay some advertising on here too. I need to see how he wants me to organize stuff. I have lots of plans...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that if we get input as well as 1st shot @ special make up stuff, that'll be payment enough.
 

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Input drives the buys, so I'll be asking regularly.

I'll know more after SHOT too. The big guys have big commitments on special runs. Some are 500, some 1000 and some may do as few as 20-25.

Ruger did a special run of American Rimfire Predators for a distributor. They did 500 each of 22lr and 22 magnum. It's not even on Ruger's site as a distributor exclusive. I bought a bunch of each and they're selling well without advertising.

Same green color on the stock as the centerfire Predator, no sights, high comb, tactical bolt handle, rail on top, 18" threaded heavier contour barrel....and I got one for Christmas from the wife!

Stuff like that needs to be communicated with you guys too...
 

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SAS,

Did you inherit Cotis' list of orders to fill along with the gear or are you going to sell strictly thru the shop? I've got 3 ordered thru him but looks like you're the man now.

Single loading a RAR sucks!

Jason
 

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Hey 4th pt, you mess with them clips yet??
Not yet. Figured I'd wait for Cotis or SAS now. But if it'll be awhile with the transition I might try filling and milling.
 

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Picked up my RAR stainless 223 today.
Added the cotis mag extension and took the gay blade out of the trigger and added a lighter trigger spring while I was at it.
Trigger breaks at about 2.5 lbs now and 75 maxs are kissing with room to spare in the mag.

I will hold back judgement until I shoot it tomorrow but its looking like a hell of a rig for 410 bucks.
 

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I went for a Predator 223 early, not expecting southpaw 223s anytime soon....

Mine is burping 40gr VMax at 2700 fps via Unique. Prairie dogs at 200-ish yards were hating it last summer.

Did a few loads with 50gr VMax, 53gr VMax, and 75gr BTHP. All were under moa with full cases of W748.

I recently mounted a 10X Bushnell in Burris Signature rings with the +/- 20 inserts. First three shots with the 40gr VMax and Unique,

 

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No can.

The loads just shoots. I was looking for something mild along the lines of 22 Hornet ballistics.

First time I tried it I clover-leafed three at 100. Thought it must have been a lucky group. But it just stacks them in there time after time if the wind is mild.

I have the OAL at 2.20", CCI 400 primer. Various once-fired milsurp brass. I size it with a Redding body die and a Lee collet die for the first go, then just the neck die for subsequent reloads.
 

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I know the 75 Amax is pretty much the Gold Standard of .224". I do have some of the 75gr BTHP on the bench, but will get some of the Amax too for going long.

Main reason I went with a soft 40 gr for the prairie dogs was to minimize ricochets (range cattle).
 

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Had some problems on the maiden voyage with COAL set for a kiss. Took the 9v scale and handpress to the country club for some on-the-spot load work. Nothing at 0.015", but seems to like 0.030" off. Never tried a hard jam.

Also ditched the OEM bases and got extruded Warne steel bases and Maxima Lows until I find something better. Warne bases are a hair thinner, and match the receiver much better than the OEM. Still need a fix for the chin-weld but overall can't complain.

Didn't spend much time at 100y before going to 500y. Spotting shots thru the 10x is no problem at 500. Heck of a rig for the bucks spent.

I "Have Seen the Light" regarding 8-twist 223 and the 75 AMAX. Should have done this a longtime ago :grin:



 

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That'll work!!! there ain't much you cant do with an 8 twist 223 flingin' them fuckin SINISTER 75s... Can you hunt Big Game in Oregon with a 22 C/F ???

Strong rumour round these parts is that Cans may once again be legal, if that's the case I will run a suppressed RAR 8T 223...

This Was the latest victim of a 75 AMAX via my 8 Twist 223AI freezer pleaser Spike Red deer 236 yards....

 

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Deer, bear, cougar, and antelope are all legal with 22 centerfire in Oregon.

Love that color-mix on that stock by the way!
 

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Forgot to look for o-rings for the windage knob, but got some stainless action screws at the hardware store... 1/4"-28 x 3/4" SHCS.

Used a heat-gun to straighten the fore-end and flare the barrel channel, then sanded a slight bevel. It was tight on the port-side.

Filled the fore-end with cookie dough but ran out of my beloved Loc-Tite and had to use Oatey for the distal end. Made each compartment spill into the next, and overlapped. Started proximal and worked my way out. Still floated, and I don't mind the extra weight but weight weenies beware. The stock is still weak near the action but the fore-end is much stiffer laterally. Upward pressure will still make contact but not on a rest/bags.

Cookie dough is plenty tough and adheres well but need to beat on it to see if it stays put.







 

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I hate plywood with a passion... but must admit that I am fond of that Frankendork for the 10/22, but with a layer of cookie dough.

I may still go plywood, but it only takes one stick of dough to fix the limp OEM stock.

Disclosure... I dig the 223 and 75 AMAX. The RAR is pretty cool, but I'm already veering towards Montucky... and think I'll be getting back into the gasser game so this RAR might be looking for a new home.
 

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What I like about plywood,is that it ain't living. It sculpts easily and one can glove fit ergo's,pinpoint balance and easily have his way.

I still would like to see a Hogue for 'em...............
 

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Exceptional. No creep or over travel, breaks clean at 2 lbs. I could back it down a little more (says 1.5), but I'm good there.

Installs in 3 minutes on the first try. The next one will go in a matter of seconds. Too simple.
 

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Be curious to gun it alongside an un-bladed/re-sprunged OEM. They ain't creepy and overtravel is a breeze to nip.

I think I'd go Boyds and 75 A-Max's for that loot..............
 

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Big Stick said:
What I like about plywood,is that it ain't living. It sculpts easily and one can glove fit ergo's,pinpoint balance and easily have his way.

I still would like to see a Hogue for 'em...............
I'd take a Hogue for the RAR.

Old floppy still rubs even with steel putty... the stock is weak near the action and allows the entire forearm to flex. Shot yesterday with the front rest towards the action and away from the forearm tip.

Should be able to see the rub marks in the pics. There's a crescent shape mark were the tip of the forearm rubs across the barrel, and shiny metal along the length of the barrel.

May go plywood after all but wish there were something else available.





 

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For under 100 Clams,Boyds will toss you a platform which will reliably bear fruit. Simple remove the portion(s) of it that you don't want,sculpt in some strongside ergo's and rock the bitch.

Start at the fucking start...........(grin)
 

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Klassic, Heritage, or Prarie?

Got any pics of Boyd's stock? Seen some pics with the bolts open and it helps decipher the cheek rest geometry.

I've had a few plywood stocks but one made of Rutland was soft like balsawood. Gave me the creeps and I've been trying to avoid them ever since.
 

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Have a couple boyds, they're very solid but heavy. Have at them with a wood wrasp and you'll have something useful.

Was on a roll a few years back and ground the shit out of a few wood stocks. It ain't tough.
 

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4th_point said:
Klassic, Heritage, or Prarie?

Got any pics of Boyd's stock? Seen some pics with the bolts open and it helps decipher the cheek rest geometry.

I've had a few plywood stocks but one made of Rutland was soft like balsawood. Gave me the creeps and I've been trying to avoid them ever since.
Sadly,I've lotsa plywood handles.

Prairie Hunter................
 

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Rogue,

I've hacked away on hickory staves to make stickbows and still have the tools. Laminates should be a piece of cake.

I'm liking the Boyds idea more and more.

J
 

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Prairie Chicken it is then. I just gotta decide... blonde vs brunette.

She'll probably get rattle-canned anyway...
 

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What's the skinny on the production of the mag extensions?

Sadly Stick is taking his freebie back..............

Should be on the back order list on the 'fire............
 

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I now have the list. I bought the machine from Cotis. I've been traveling to the shows and it may be a few weeks before I start producing more...

Send me a PM with your info. I have a stash...
 

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I got caught in the crossfire. Was shooting with Greasestick yesterday and asking him WTF he was going to build next and talking glass...so he mentioned that he had scored a RAR 223 from Karlos,for a glass swap. So I told him "well...that means the CZ is finally fucking your's" and now he can Hum.

Will pare down a laminate,as much as I dare and run it. 6X MQ is on board and I'll go shoot before the game.

So now I gotta unborrow the mag extension,to see WTF in all fairness....................
 

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4th_point said:
fogswamp said:
Hey 4th pt, you mess with them clips yet??
Not yet. Figured I'd wait for Cotis or SAS now. But if it'll be awhile with the transition I might try filling and milling.
Cookie dough Fill and Mill while waiting for the Plug & Play from SAS.

My old school flex Dremel took a shit awhile back and I must have misplaced my bits. No end-mills for a quick hack either. I'll get something in the AM to see if this all comes together... or not. Used a 3/8" drill to get started, but that was as far as I could go for now.







 

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Local hardware store should have a small router bit. I'll update later tomorrow.

Still looking forward to the Cotis/SAS injection parts though.
 

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Apparently we just had one hell of storm down here. They're saying the whole state might slide into the ocean.

Still waiting on my leaker Leica and a new SS 3-9x to replace the first that locked up solid on the mag dial. I was going to trade it in for another 6x MQ, but they said a new 3-9x was already on the way. Knew I shouldn't have deviated from fixed power scopes :grin: Hats off to SWFA though. They are great to deal with.
 

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There's a few 6x MQ's in the crummy,warming up and coffeee is on,so as to load Thermos #2.......................
 

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Got a 1/4" router bit today and went at it. With all the hacking the cookie dough stayed rock solid. Screwed the pooch during mag disassembly though... should have followed the Cotis instructions. Broke one tab. But she's seam sealed now with 3M emblem glue and is more solid than ever.

Takes 2.45" plus, and feeds great. But it ain't worth the effort. Better to just get the Plug-N-Play from SAS :grin:



 

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Got hung up today gunning my LFB,6BR and Hummer...so didn't RAR that much.

Next R&R I'll flog on it more,in plywood......................
 

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I woke up at 01:00 this morning dreaming of a pile of rar 243's, boyd stocks, krylon and camo tape, drill and grinder. could not shake it till i walked out the door.
 

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Your parts are timed better than mine,as I'm wheels up this afternoon and all of my shit will arrive this evening...never fucking fails.

Assuming EGW 25MOA 1913 extended rails and Fixed Fuckers,you'll have better than 30 Mils in the bank,on the erector alone.

Be curious to hear about their throats and where the 105 HPBT Hornie kisses at..................
 

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All should be there this week, even ordered some super sneaky tape to dress it all up with, pretty sure I have 105 hpbt sitting at home but got enough more coming to last a while. HATE getting home and being 2 blocked by the mail. Not thinking my local is any better than yours in that respect.
 

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Been laughing all day,as the skys is blue and the forecast looks like 2wks of straight rain.

While I LOVE the rain...it's gonna tip the OldMan over..............(again)
 

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yes, he was musing over diner that he never got out of the house for 2 fucking weeks last R&R, fucking rain anyhow.
 

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sure would be nice to find out what it would cost a guy for tooling at Ruger to just have them hammer forge out a bunch of 223 AI and 243 AI tubes. Bet it cant be that bad to buy a mandrel.
 

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I'd punch my Ranch out,but to shorten the throat and set back,would put it under 16" and I don't wanna pin a loudener or cap.

Would love a S/S Compact in 1-8" 6BR!......................
 

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Thats what i am talking about, now talk them boys at ruger into making you up some with 243 AI tubes on them and put me down for an even dozen.
 

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It fits well. I've not bedded in the blocks, just snugged it up. I'll tackle that later. The barrel floats nicely all the way back. Another thing that sticks out...the mag doesn't rattle around like it does in my factory stocks.

I need to weigh it, but it doesn't feel much heavier. Balance is better.

I'm gonna order one for the compact too.
 

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I am going to spec out reamers for the 223AI 243AI and the 22-250AI
as soon as I get home to put some dummy rounds together, get them to the house I will have my buddy open shop and start reaming.
 

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Right on SAS !! That's a lotta rifle for very little loot.. Can ya get some pics of before and after bedding the power blocks ???
 

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'Buggy is supposed to be hanging pictures of his Plywood Hummer.

I'll bust his balls and light a fire..............
 

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Shot the Prairie Chicken for the first time yesterday, sans bedding to see how it'd do. Upped tension and went back to a kiss. Other than the wild flier in the first target, I think it shows some promise with the first 2 targets. Roughly 1" at 100y for 8-shots. At this point the trigger is the weak link for me.

RAR is now bedded and trigger cleaned up to remove creep. Will confirm zero at 100y and see how it does at distance next time.



 

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Be curious to see how mine do,after I get home this time. Last R&R was a gypp.

Will more than make up for it on this pass..........
 

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That's pretty cool. Pretty common practice to duct tap sleeping mat foam to get the cheek wield you need. Mat tape works best if you can score some.

Thinking I'm gonna do the same with fiber glass to a stock this summer.
 

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Be curious to whittle on my plywood 223 Ranch handle and see how much weight I can shave.

'Buggy and I are lined up starting this R&R and some shit will get shook out...........
 

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In the interest of research, I added one to my cart while ordering bullets at Midsouth. You were right... no creep, no over-travel. Two turns out on the pre-load and I'd be shocked if it pulled over 12 ounces on a scale.

I took the OEM as low as I dare with file and stone but this sucker is slick :grin:

 

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And I was willing to settle for 1.5#.

If I knew how low the Timney went I would have ordered one sooner :grin:
 

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Brett,

No scale here right now but it feels like a boat anchor. Just fine as a plinker but its not handy-dandy.

I still want a 223 Montana if that tells you anything.

Jason
 

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The boat anchor will be slinging 75's all day tomorrow with some greenhorns. I think my press will be getting a workout with this rifle :grin:
 

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Sore to boot. LeeLou had a MUST attend dinner at 7:00PM,or I'd still be casting & glassing.(grin)

Spring can wear a guy out.....................
 

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ridgeline said:
4th'

Have you Bedded the Boyd ?? If so you got any Pics ? Inquiring minds gotta know...
Minimal cookie dough to lock the front lug. Then more dough to capture some of the barrel (would normally trim any nubbings but left it here). Rear lug is captured, but allowed to float. Might go back and lock it.

A few chips, probably from too much Bel-ray waterproof grease but there is so much surface area I ain't worried about it. Its solid as a rock :grin:



 

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Had to add a washer under the mag catch, and trim the catch too. Simple. The catch and trigger guard look 3D printed but are tough.

The mag stops were more like splinters than stops. Rasped them away and doughed my own in place where I wanted... with less slop.



 

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Proof is in the puddin'...

In hindsight, I should have ordered stippling. It was like wrassling a greased piglet on my rain soaked rests :grin:

Still, once figured out, it shot well. Not all groups were as good as below, but when driven repeatably it produced. I can only see it doing better with a little gription added. Thinking grip-tape for now.

 

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That dog will hunt! RAR seems like a lotta rifle for the coin and a quick easy way into a 8" twist 223... Word is we get to play with suppressors again later this year when the legislators change the books, That being the case I'll grab one for a canned rifle set up...

Are you runnin' the SAS mag extension ?? Do you know if Horny 75 HPBT will Kiss and still choogle thru the OEM box?? Lookin' for options if I cant get SAS's mag extension...
 

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Haven't gotten my SAS mags yet. In the meantime I modified the one that came with the rifle. IIRC, it'll take 2.45". I could mill more material for extra COAL but would need to see where the bolt stop puts the lug to snag the casehead.

Go up to page 9 for details.

Jason

 

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Thanks 4th'! Kool Modification love the ingenuity, will keep it in mind in lieu of the plug n play... Damned If'n ya wont put the Pillsbury Doughboy out of a job...*grin*
 

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This 223 is going to wear out my press:grin:

Fast-twist 223 bolt action and 75gr AMAX is the shit for LR fun, in volume. Thanks again for the suggestion.
 

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Inletted the stock's mortices deeper,for the supplied lugs and shimmed the mag catch. That got ride height right.





Bulk/Blem 68BTHP Hornie's were wanting to hit below the chamber,with their tips...so I simply hogged out a faux ramp in the 'shank. It shoots 'em STUPID fucking good and I can dig the dope,to 1K anyhow.

Had to relieve the comb's nose,to allow full bolt travel and part of that was a function of digging the lug mortices deeper. Hogged out the offside thumb's resting place,so my Lady Fingers had a place to ride.

All that had shot it before/after,commented upon how trace and impact were MUCH easier to catch,under all circumstances,after the stock swap. Part of that is a function of a leetle extry added weight,but most due to the vastly improved ergo's. Cheekweld is handy.(grin)

It is a SERIOUSLY fucking Bad Bitch now and only needs rattle canned,so as to slip into FULL Fucking Sleeper Mode.

Will hack the fore end shorter,add a more pronounced strongside palmswell and hang the sling stud at the end of the fore end's tip,so it rides more static on the shoulder.

There's (5) Plug & Plays in hand and I have SAS to thank the shit out of,as the benefits are offa the fucking chart. Have been handing them out to others,so they can easily kiss/nestle 75A-Max. The Rancher's 5.56 throat is wayyyyyyy too long for a Plug & Play 75 'max kiss and it is farrrrrrrr and away the most Linda Lovelace of my herd. The P&P's rock,the 5.56 "throating' would make Roy Weatherby fucking blush +P.(grin)

The astute will follow suit with the S/S 223 Compact,go P&P,eek the Boyd's,re-spring the trigger,lose the blade and have their cake and eat it too. MQ Fixed Fucker being a given and an EGW inclined rail,do not suck.

I had it all apart last night,doing the chamber,stock,etc mod(s),as well as yarding the scope off,so I could reach the chamber with a round chain file.(grin) Bolted the bitch back together,torquing the rings with a bar wrench and bloody-knuckled the stock fasteners which meat mettle. Pun be intended.

Flat fucking worked shit over this morning,out to pretty fucking stupid far and in building winds. Later shot paper with it and zero was DEAD nuts the fuck on(which was a given,due the alternate zipcode POA/POI interactions).

Just do it.................(grin)
 

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I actually UNbedded it,by hogging out the stock to center the blocks.

It is shooting good enough and is AMAZINGLY consistent,in being taken apart/reassembled and holding onto POA/POI...that I'm not touching shit.(grin)

Little fucker is a wicked mean bastard...................
 

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Good to know. Mine is uber-finicky to action hardware torque, maybe due to the way I captured/bedded the barrel.

Cracked the trigger guard today.
 

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Switched back to the milk-jug where I had the receiver captured and not the barrel (white epoxy near the lug). Fixes the flop.

 

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So, I stopped by a local shop to kill a few minutes before my next meeting and found out that the Ruger folks were there pushing their brand. Sale prices were good, so I picked a SS RAR .223 up.

You guys....
 

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I'm staying out of the gun shops for that very reason. Got too many irons in the fire as it is, but I know I won't miss a chance to take on another, if oppurtunity strikes....
 

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So what's the preferred model? Boyds a given.

Thinking either Predator or Compact. Not sure if I want to go as short as 16".
 

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Classic on mine.

The S/S Compact is THE way to fly. It wears the best throat and is of course S/S.

Win/win..............
 

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Got the new trigger guard from Boyd's last week, and put a stainless washer under it. Also tried RL15 with good results, but the way I captured the barrel shank made the works sensitive to action screw tightness. Need to Dremel the shank portion out and re-test.

In the meantime, I put the milk-jug back on to shoot some RL15. Top target was the first 3-shots at 100y with no wind. Bottom target was 5-shots with 8-o'clock wind gusts.

Last pic was 490y. Held 0.5 mil into the wind for the first 5-shots and was lucky to be on steel. Need to run that load at longer distances, hopefully with less wind. Other than the one dropped shot by me at 490y, I'm happy with RL15 thus far.



 

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Lots of vertical @ 490..
Maybe have Rick cumugulia school ya up on how to do a ladder test..

>grin<
 

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I think Ric has ditched his ladders in favor of finding which bullet penetrates ram horns the best:grin: Now that you mention it, I don't recall seeing any of his escapades online lately. That Josh cyber-bullied him?

Need to check my "notes" but ES was extremely low with those strings of RL15 at 25gr. At 490y, those top 4-shots had less than 4" of vertical in the wind. Not sure about the dropped shot though. Still not too shabby for the RAR milk-jug.

That shooting area can be a mind-fuck as we've had impacts land opposite of the wind direction (swirls around behind the shooter). Its near the end of a big valley (bottom) but with wind often going uphill from the coast. After those 5-shots, the wind was horrendous with the late afternoon thermals. I should have waited a bit for the dead calm but was running out of time.
 

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Will try to do some serious Lion Testing on the next pass and love mine up,to see how it responds.

Though they ain't nothing that's gonna escape it now.........................
 

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Last session was using the milk-jug, 75 AMAX & RL15.

Went back to the Boyd's today, but first Dremel-ed away the nut/shank bedding epoxy from the plywood. Now, only the forward portion of the receiver is bedded. It all jelled today. Hitting that 12" plate at 490y is almost too easy. Only went to 611y, but POI matched POA. Have 21+ mils remaining in the Super Bird 10x.

More research to come:grin:





 

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That looks great 4th point..
Shot 75 A-max's the other day in 10-15 mph gusting wind at 100 and netted .961" for five shots in my lil' compact..
25 grs. of H335/400's/IVI once fired brass/moly/kiss did the trick..
Scoped with a 6X36 lupy..
Only mods were to bend the rubber like forearm for barrel clearance and re-spring the trigger..
I would give Rl-15 a try but only have 3# of it and have over 18# of H335..
 

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I would have stuck with H335 but my rifle was a touch finicky at the velocities I wanted. It settled down with RL15 but its tough getting much in the case! And it doesn't throw nearly as well.
 

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Nigger Buggy is gunning 10x in his and it do rather nice thangs.

I'm leaning purty hard on LeverEvolution in mine with 68 BTHP Hornie's,because they'll kiss in the Plug & Plays.

It reliably do shit...that it prolly shouldn't...............
 

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Brazo,

I can't help in terms of best throwers. I have a Horny on my progressive and a couple of Lees that are set and forget. The Lees throw ball dead nuts. The Horny just sees pistol powder. Neither thrower is dead nuts with stick powder.

Jason
 

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Just stocked up for some springtime fun with the 223 RAR... RL15 (8lbs), primers (2300), and 75 AMAX (2800):grin:

Brownells has 6-packs of 75 AMAX in-stock, with free shipping.
 

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The 223 RAR has FAR exceeded my expectations.

The only problem I see is keeping it fed. Need at least 100 or 200 rounds per person for longrange plinking... after they tire of their heavy recoiling rifles :grin:

My press is going to get worn out.
 

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There was a time when a guy hadta conduct business,on the otherside of the fence...because everything was UKD. The key to connecting was good boolits,at great speeds and range guesstimation.

Now one can KNOW and do shit with a chambering of far lesser capacity,at a much higher connect percentage. Win/win.

The Anschutz Chronicles,connecting dots like few others....................
 

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4th_point said:
Brazo,

I can't help in terms of best throwers. I have a Horny on my progressive and a couple of Lees that are set and forget. The Lees throw ball dead nuts. The Horny just sees pistol powder. Neither thrower is dead nuts with stick powder.

Jason
The perfect powder measure from Lee? Thanks
 

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Yep. The last one I got is dead-nuts with H335 and doesn't leak. If you get a leaker, supposedly lapping compound will custom fit the cones. Remove any flashing/parting-lines first.
 

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Did a little more testing with the RAR 223. Plinking rocks and such at 1300+ yards was a hoot. With no wind it was almost too easy.

Wasn't sure how the 75gr AMAX would handle the ~1340fps transition, but it was fine.

Only set one target, at 890y. Never did a tall target test so it was good to see the 10x MQ track on steel at distance. Started at 7.9 mils on the erector, and was hitting high. Dropped two clicks, and was hitting low. Should have gone back up one, but kept shooting. Held one football into the wind. Not every shot was on steel due to shooter error, but hits were much more frequent than misses.

Pretty dang happy with the RAR and 75gr AMAX at distance, with minimal recoil :grin:



 

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.2 mil = 6-1/2" @ 900. I'd say it's tracking right if that's a 12" plate. Shooting a little up hill?
 

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Yep... 12"x12" plate. Leica inclinometer read 1-degree shooting from the target back to the firing position. I was surprised how well the little 75gr AMAX rang the steel at 890y.

Did you put a MQ on your T3? How's it working out?
 

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Yup, its ridiculous. Picked up a new seater so haven't monkeyed with anything other than the current crop of 50's I have.

 

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My preference is to operate within the realm of reason and Tikka cain't make that cut............
If you can look past a long action, I've found no other action that feeds as smooth, ejects with authority and has a great trigger out of the box. One thing I don't agree with is them going from an 8 twist to a 10 twist in .223.
 

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Coupla turns off the trigger, slap on a scope, pop off the shroud, 15 minutes with a soldering iron on the grip, kiss your bullet of choice. Mags suck ass for 75's, but that's fixable. LA is handy for ring spacing, especially with 'bored Talley's.

Remmies still do the heavy lifting for me though.
 

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Sadly,I've shot more Tikkas,than folks who actually LIKE the fucking things.

Pass the RAR Plug & Play..............